Hondata Group BUY ! QUESTIONS ! POST HERE

[Administrator]

Do you require extra info regarding the Hondata group buy ! then post your questions here for them to be answered, if you would like your question immediately answered feel free to call any Hondatech dealer or James from Hondata on 0417 875 785

PS have a read of the common questions and answers on the group buy page here, your question might be already answered here.
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[cul8r]

hey james,
wondering if i opt for the option of the P28 converted obd2a with s200 unit and i want datalogging and launch controll with flat shift will this cost more???

[Administrator]

Hey thanks for your question.

The s200 in the group buy comes with datalogging features enabled, and also launch control and full throttle shift.

To activate the launch control and full throttle shift features you do how ever need a clutch switch installed in the car. (This is how the feature works)

Cars with cruise control already have a clutch switch so we can wire directly into this.
For cars without cruise control we can supply a hondata clutch switch which replaces the clutch adjustment bolt behind the clutch peddle, this costs $40.00 for the switch. Or the client can source there own clutch switch.

Hope that clears up things

Regards James

[cul8r]

ehhe thanx james yeah u replaied in ur email to me:)
i got a question about the data logging for the s200, it runs nothing like the s300 with the usb connection does it?

[Administrator]

The s200 dataloging works via a com port ( 9pin DB9 ) cable for laptops that don’t have a com port on them you can purchase a com port to USB adaptor which will work perfectly fine. Then its just plug in and click record and away you go. The difference with the s300 is yes it natively supports USB and the s300 also has onboard datalogging so it will actually remember what your car has done without having a computer connected to it. You can then download the “recording” to your laptop to analysis if you want to.

Iv attached the Software to this post so you can download the Hondata s200 Datalogging software and check out the features / functions

Regards James

[BiGANG]

hi.
Just a couple of questions.

If i replace my ecu with hondata s200 (i have a 2000 ITR) will i lose my standard immobiliser?

Also, what sort of gains are usually seen on ITRs with I/H/E mods. Im not asking for a guarantee or anything, i just want a rough indication.

Also, what different options are unlocked in the s200 as compared to the s100 ecus for this standard price

[Administrator]

The hondata s200 Full plug and play ECU for the 2000 DC2r Type R is a full replacement ECU. Our replacement ECU’s do not contain a immobilizer for the DC2r product range thus you do lose your standard immobilizer. We recommend you get a aftermarket immobilizer / alarm system in this case. Your central locking and everything will work perfectly the only immobilizer features which get disabled is the fact the standard car needs to have a matching key to a matching ECU, because your ecu is being fully replaced this feature needs to be disabled. On a side note for DC5r customers we actually retain the standard immobilizer feature.

Power gains can never be guessed, its just 2 much of an ambiguous question. What I can confidently tell you is Hondata allows a car to be tuned perfectly in every possible way with zero limitations. What ever maximum power your engine makes at every possible load and rpm point hondata will be able to delivery maximum power once tuned professionally and correctly. Their is no limits what so ever in the tune ability of what hondata can do with regards to maximum power drivability and response and fuel economy. DC2r how ever do respond very nicely to professional and accurate EFI tuning, even more so when you do modifications such as the ones you have done, intake header and exhaust. But like anything combination and correct tuning is the key !

The s100 contains no additional features, the s100 purely is just all about tuning. All hondata ECU’s s100 s200 and s300 have the same tune ability, the difference purely is in the additional features such as data logging launch control etc

All the options are unlocked on the s200 apart from boost control for turbo / supercharged Hondas. This run’s true for any s200 purchased within or not within this special offer.

[no_torq]

What does a full tune/initial tune involve?

I've been told:
Dyno Tune
Road Tune
Cold Start

Do all Australian hondata tuners do this?
Also why a dyno and road tune is needed?

[Administrator]

A full tune and or initial tune certainly involves the those 3 things, Dyno tuning, Road tuning and cold start setup.

When a Hondata ECU is installed, your physically removing every single trace of the standard ECU. The standard ECU controls everything about your car from things such as, fuel times, rev limits, vtec point closed loop operation, air water and gear compensation, these are all very specific settings and hondata allows us to individual tune these settings. The more control over settings you have, the more closer you can make a car response and act. A engine will operative very differently when its 20degree in temperature or 100degree in temperature, or very differently when the intake temperature is 20 degrees’ vs 70 degrees when your stuck in peak hour traffic, there are many settings to be considered when tuning any car. The beautiful thing about hondata is you actually have the control and power of these settings which is the main reason why hondata cars drive, feel and respond better than a lot of other ECU’s out there. And no that’s not bias, it’s the truth coming directly from experience I’ve had for many years tuning many different ECU’s on many different cars

Road tuning versus Dyno tuning is also very important aspect of tuning you can not simulate 100% road conditions on a Dyno, every tuner has there own methods on tuning a car, typically my methods is ECU installation, followed by parameter set, configuring what settings a car needs, followed by careful overview / testing important engine operation conditions, followed by a slow test drive checking all sensors and making sure the ECU is responding. There are plenty of safety and check lists to ensure correct engine operation is occurring. This initial road tuning is very important because its setting the car up making sure everything is in order before a car is locked and tied down on a dyno.

Dyno tuning of course has its benefits where we can apply any engine load at any rpm point allowing u to accurately view and adjust what the car is doing in real time. One problem with Dynos is heat soak of the engine and extremely low engine loads typical these settings are very hard to tune for on a dyno, as driving a car on low load at low rpm on a Dyno causes the whole car to shake. So whilst a dyno environment can simulate most road conditions its not perfect, this is why I like to take the car once its off the dyno for more road tuning and safety / vehicle check making sure everything is perfect because the car is handed back to the client, and yes during these road tuning settings very often more settings are changed to enhance drive ability and response, you tune for power on a dyno, you tune for drive ability on the road.

Now a re tune is very different to the above process, when we re tune a car, typically charged at a hourly rate we assume a lot of those settings are already configured, and might only require slight adjustment depending on what were “re tuning for “

As far as the service offered throughout Australia goes, every tuner has there own methods in tuning but most will follow a similar approach to above. This is why you will find differences in prices for tuning. Time is money, and the more time spent tuning a car typically the more expensive the job.

Hope that explains everything

[no_torq]

Thanks for the explaination. Really informative.

[Administrator]

Nooby question but a question asked so many times, and still internet myth havocs the answer.

A true definition of a piggy back system is an ECU that intercepts signals from the standard ECU and fakes the input / output signals to fool the ECU into thinking what the engine is doing, and fool the engine into operating, controlled by the piggy back device and not the standard ECU. Such Devices are V-AFC, SAFC E-Manage, Vtec Controllers etc these have very limited tuning and features

Hondata IS NOT such a device

A Standalone ECU is defined as an ECU which operates independently and is controlled directly by its self. And yes from this analogy even the standard ECU in every car is a standalone ECU. It operates independently and controls the engine directly without using any additional devices, the down side to every standard ECU is there untuneable which is why the need exists for tune able ECU’s

Confusion arises from the fact most standalone ECU’s such as Motec Autronic, Haltech etc come as full ECU replacement parts, you unplug the standard ECU and you typically wire in the replacement, and in some cases some are plug ins.

Hondata on the other hand for SOME vehicles ranging from 1990 to 1996 have designed a way how to reverse engineer the standard Honda ECU, also by adding extra functions and features turning the standard ECU into fully real time programmable fully independent directly controlled ECU, this is why Hondata for 1990 to 1996 vehicles is much cheaper than lets say for vehicles from 1996 to 2000.

The later model Honda’s from 1996 to 2000 receive a full replacement plug and play ECU as the standard 1996 to 2000 ECU is two expensive to reverse engineer.

When you buy a late model Hondata ECU for lets say 1996 to 2000 your buying a complete ECU, where as earlier models 1990 to 1996 Hondata upgrades the clients ECU to save the client money. Yes we do sell plug and play replacement ECU’s for 1990 to 1996 cars but no body ever purchases these, as there is no need to spend extra money on parts you already own.
Hope this gives you a little bit of education regarding the product.

But to summarize yes Hondata is a full standalone ECU

[fabz]

Is the re-tune only done if you are adding more parts after the first tune?

[Administrator]

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Fabz - That is correct, your buying a fully tune-able ECU if you do more mods you will want to tune your car to take full advantage of your new modifications. Sure you don’t need to get a retune if lets say you replace your standard headers with a set of Toda (as a example), but only a fool wouldn’t tune there car to take full advantage of the modifications they have just purchased

[BRU51N]

anything for s2000's?

[BLKCRX]

We only have Intake Manifold gasket for the Honda s2000, no ECU products sadly.

[bernie]

hey there james,
the k100 ecu, is it only suitable for DC5r or can thge s200 be used aswell?

[BLKCRX]

S products including s100 s200 and s300 can only be used on B D and H engines

K Products including the k100 and kpro can only be used on K engines

The DC5r has a k20 engine in it, so only k100 and kpro can be used.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Regards James

[acti0nman]

At the moment i'm doing an LSVTEC but have a question about the ecu. If i were to use a obd1 p28 sohc ecu, it needs to be converted to run dohc. Will i first have to convert the ecu to dohc and then put on a hondata s100. or can the s100 be used to covert the stock obd1 p28 sohc to run a dohc straight away?

[fabz]

I read somewhere that you hav to get service before the tune. is that included in the tune?

[BLKCRX]

At the moment i'm doing an LSVTEC but have a question about the ecu. If i were to use a obd1 p28 sohc ecu, it needs to be converted to run dohc. Will i first have to convert the ecu to dohc and then put on a hondata s100. or can the s100 be used to covert the stock obd1 p28 sohc to run a dohc straight away?

Good question, but ill make the answer simple.
A p28 or in fact any obd1 Honda ECU compatible with Hondata, once upgraded to hondata will run any Honda B D or H engine, regardless if its SOHC or DOHC vtec or none vtec. So yeah no need to worry about that what so ever. All conversions and modifications of any ECU are included in the cost of any Hondata product.

[BLKCRX]

I read somewhere that you hav to get service before the tune. is that included in the tune?

Fabz of course, this is something I most certainly recommend.

Why tune a car electronically if the engine isn’t mechanically tuned perfectly ?

So I always recommend every car to be fully serviced, so its mechanically 100% right before we go and tune a car. If your car has old spark plugs, old oil, clogged fuel filter, loss or tight tappets, all of these things CAN and DO effect the over all out come.
When I tune a engine I like to make sure the engine its self is serviced and in top top condition, other wise your really just wasting your time tuning a engine which lets say has “mechanical issues” this is why I recommend every car to be professionally serviced before specifically tuning the engine.

A mechanical service is not included in the tune’ing fee, although for most engines I do change the spark plugs half way though the dyno tuning session if I feel there is a need to do so. The tune fee is for labor for professionally dyno tune’ing and road tune’ing the clients car.

Regards James

[AUDM DC5R]

How much extra will it be to get the WORK rims down to Melb!?

[BLKCRX]

TNT over night express shipping would be somewhere around $150.00 from Sydney to Melbourne

Regards James

[AUDM DC5R]

TNT over night express shipping would be somewhere around $150.00 from Sydney to Melbourne

Regards James
So if I was order a set of rims, and go the REVZONE to pay for them. Do I pay for shipping or do I some how have to organise posting and handling?

Also will the K-Pro be on Group Buy ever? Not realy interested in the K100!

[boggey]

hey james

Just got a few questions about the intake gasket.
i got a auto dc5 and was just making sure that it would fit, and how easy is it to install and the amount of time involved, or should i see a mechanic, if i get it. And just woundering on an approximate guess on pwr increase as my car right now has only a injen cai and a 2.1/4 cat back.

[BLKCRX]

So if I was order a set of rims, and go the REVZONE to pay for them. Do I pay for shipping or do I some how have to organise posting and handling?

Also will the K-Pro be on Group Buy ever? Not realy interested in the K100!

The K-Pro is already in the group, for those that enquire ONLY. The K Pro is $1150 in the group buy and normal conditions apply for the K Pro, although that being said no body every orders a K Pro, as were lucky to have access to the k100 at half the price.

Shipping will be arranged after the group buy for all rim's a number of rim's will be shipped directly from Sydney to Revzone, which will account for cheaper shipping for everyone.

[BLKCRX]

hey james

Just got a few questions about the intake gasket.
i got a auto dc5 and was just making sure that it would fit, and how easy is it to install and the amount of time involved, or should i see a mechanic, if i get it. And just woundering on an approximate guess on pwr increase as my car right now has only a injen cai and a 2.1/4 cat back.

The intake gasket most certainly works on auto DC5’s. The principle of the gasket is to reduce intake temperatures, by reducing intake temperatures this effectively increases power at the engine, as colder air always generates more power. The gasket works by keeping the manifold colder when compared to the standard gasket, lots of information can be found here regarding hondata gasket products.

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

As far as fitting goes, typically expect around 2 hours labor, 1 hour if your really good with tools. I highly suggest a skilled mechanic to install the gasket.

Hope that helps

Regards James

[no_torq]

"I highly suggest a killed mechanic to install the gasket." LOL.
Seriously, how much does it roughly cost to fit the gasket to a B16a?

[BLKCRX]

B16 gaskets can be tricky to install, especially when getting to the bolts and studs under the manifold, holding the manifold on, you need either very small hands, or special tools to reach into area’s you can’t see.
You need to fully remove your intake system
Your fuel rail
All vacuum and water hoses

The old standard Honda gasket often also sticks like glue to the manifold and head, and quite often you need to buff off the old gasket, on the intake manifold, along with carefully removing any parts off the cylinder head, making sure no material falls into the cylinder ports.
At the same time I also recommend cleaning all your idle control sensors, and clean your injectors and injector o-rings. There’s a stack of things that should be done when installing the gasket, and not having workshop tools or skills handy can make the job difficult. The gasket should also be torqued down correctly, and re torqued after 1 heat cycle of the engine. Correct fitment of all sensors and the manifold is required, as any vacuum leaks will cause idle and car engine problems. With all of these factors listed above this is why I recommend professional installation. But sure there’s no harm in trying it your self.

A professional could take 2 to 3 hours to install a b16 gasket, a novice, a full day or more.

[iijj]

A few Q's...

Pick up my (95) H22A converted 94 Eg Hatch in six days (purchased) and wondering if these prices still stand?

I assume S100 will be able to do A/F ratios better than SAFC2 etc?

With just induction/exhaust mods (two 2.5" catc/pipes to rear) what sort or power should astandard H22 make ATW?

What kind of difference will a change to S100 or 200 ECU make to torque and peak power (in kW if possible)? Or is it just driveability ???

Could the car be tuned in Gold Coast or Brissy?

Ta!

Ian

iijj@iprimus.com.au

[BLKCRX]

Im going to be in Brisbane as of tomorrow for a week doing tuning, so if your ready to get your car tuned please call me asap on 0417 875 785

Hondata will delivery a perfectly tuned car, with maximum performance, throttle response, and drive ability, it will be a much better option than a VAFC.

Sorry to keep this brief, but abut 2 jump on a plane, call me for more information

Regard James

[zuihoujueding]

Hi, wonder if theres any ecu upgrade for my 88 integra with D16A3?